is democrats and republicans because last year when we were in this fix couldn't get out of the debt ceiling crisis it was harry reid, the democrat leader in the senate and mcconnell, the republican leader who emerged as adults in the room and worked up something that got through congress. we are on the verge of something like that or at least an attempt to replicate that. how much of a role will whitehouse play, might just be as in 2011 the two senate leaders decide they can take care of this themselves. we will see when president obama gets back tomorrow. dennis: small, thinking a smaller deal rather than something sweeping. >> there was a sense the week or two ago that you have a big deal or we go off of the cliff but dynamics change next week and the reality is what is possible here is a small deal probably something that deals with the tax breaks or tax levels for most americans under $250,000 or maybe half a million dollars being extended, great uncertainty about everything else including tax rate for others in spending cuts and decisions kicked into next year seem to be possible and i